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Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 231	Posted - 2012.10.28 08:43:00 - [1] - Quote There is a very easy way to beat James315. Move to another system. How can people be so dumb and get so frustrated when the answer is so simple?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 231	Posted - 2012.10.28 09:04:00 - [2] - Quote I actually came up with a very viable method for miners to tank their ships against bumpers, gankers and griefers. I call it biomass tanking.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 231	Posted - 2012.10.28 09:05:00 - [3] - Quote There's also tear mass tanking, where you weigh your ship down with so much QQ that you can't be bumped.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 239	Posted - 2012.10.28 17:25:00 - [4] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: how people behave on these forums and in game should be taken VERY seriously in evaluating that persons RL character. For instance, you won't see any of these pussies "bumping" that hitchhiker on the on-ramp of the interstate out of some bullshit adherence to meritocratic views, because he just might get the **** knocked out of him. I think you may have just accidentally invalidated your opinion by contradicting yourself.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 240	Posted - 2012.10.28 17:35:00 - [5] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: How so? Do tell Doobie. The part where you claimed the way people act in an online game has anything to do with the way they act in real life and then then argued it by contradicting your assessment. Unless your point was that the behaviours are unrelated, in which case, I apologise.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 240	Posted - 2012.10.28 17:59:00 - [6] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: The point was that people show their true colors in this type of environment Forgive my scepticism, but this seems like a baseless assumption from where I stand. Max Doobie wrote: It depends on your intentions in regards to how you interact in a competitive environment. If your intentions are genuinely competitive and constructive, fine. If your intentions are to grief and annoy, that's something else Do you understand the motives behind their intentions? You're new to the game so perhaps you do not have a full understanding of why some people may feel this kind of gameplay is a necessary evil (besides being fun for them). I think in a few months, your perspective will have changed even if your opinions and stance has not.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 241	Posted - 2012.10.28 21:30:00 - [7] - Quote Pan Miller wrote: Jeez people, we have to put our money where our mouth is! Prove we aren't the wimps they assume we are! Every ISK I recieve will go DIRECTLY to killing and podding these brain-dead agents. That's the only way! If we start podding them and COSTING THEM REAL MONEY, they will realize this boring cowardly behavior is EXPENSIVE as well! How do we know you're not just a James315 alt trying to raise even more money from miners to use against them?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 241	Posted - 2012.10.28 21:51:00 - [8] - Quote TheTrue Acolyte wrote: Also, the New Order has none of a "rapish" aspect, for thou art surely asking for it. I'm not sure what you're implying.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 241	Posted - 2012.10.29 10:00:00 - [9] - Quote shadowhearth Eto wrote: Make veldper ore sell for 5isk That's something that only you can do yourself. Instead of complaining about it, make it happen.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 241	Posted - 2012.10.29 10:51:00 - [10] - Quote Then why suggest it if all you're going to do is make excuses?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 241	Posted - 2012.10.29 10:54:00 - [11] - Quote You know this is why hi-sec miners get so much hate. You say you want the prices to drop to 5 isk, yet you aren't willing to organise an initiative to make that happen. Instead you come here whining to CCP to flood the market instead.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 241	Posted - 2012.10.29 11:05:00 - [12] - Quote Don't talk to me about Apple products, please. If you think I'm wrong, offer a relevant counter to my complaint.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 241	Posted - 2012.10.29 11:13:00 - [13] - Quote Let me summarise your complaint in simple terms. 1. I want the price of Tritanium to drop to 5 ISK per unit. 2. I don't want to put in the hard work and effort to realise my vision. 3. I'll declare it is CCP's duty to flood the market so I can get what I want. This is the way of high-sec miners. See how this differs from the miner bumpers? The miner bumpers have some agenda or vision, and they have put in the hard work and effort so they can create the changes they yearn for themselves. They haven't come here and begged CCP to change mechanics to suit what they want. Perhaps some of them do. The point is, they are doing something because they can, for whatever reason that might be. Which of these seems more honourable to you?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 244	Posted - 2012.10.29 11:30:00 - [14] - Quote shadowhearth Eto wrote: i am just offering IDEA and trying to show why this **** happens that we have now. My point is that the players have the tools they need to make ideas like these happen. A lot of players do make things like this happen because they take the initiative to make them happen. I wasn't making a big deal about the 5 ISK thing, I was making a big deal about players who would see the quality of the game reduced because they are too lazy to figure things out for themselves. This is the reason high-sec miners are targeted, because they tend to be the most vocal in cases where these demands are made.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 250	Posted - 2012.10.29 12:28:00 - [15] - Quote shadowhearth Eto wrote: because you ( demand ) want it I don't want it, you want it. Quote: Yours idea of fixing the market is: SUPPLIER HAS TO DROP PRICE AND TAKE FINANCIAL LOSS, BECAUSE THATS HOW IT IS. AND ** YOU. Who says I'm trying to fix the market? I don't give a crap about the market. Dropping the prices was your idea and if that's what you need to do to achieve your goal, so be it. Quote: Problem now is that the way minerals and items are in market, players cant do feck all to make rare ore be more valuable per m3 They can gank miners. Of course with all their crying to CCP, that has become more difficult now but still possible. Quote: Its a flaw. you ever heard about "controllers" of markets. When market goes up, government goes in and sorts out (at least tries ). I'm not touching on the subject real life economy and government intervention because that just leads to conspiracy theorists derailing the thread completely. Quote:** CPP, needs partial involvement in that On this point I will request that you offer an explanation as to why they need to be involved in this. I'd also like to know what you think they should do to fix these perceived issues.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 250	Posted - 2012.10.29 12:53:00 - [16] - Quote Okay.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 251	Posted - 2012.10.29 15:48:00 - [17] - Quote Robert De'Arneth wrote: I am also one of those AFK cloakers everyone cries about You AFK cloak in high-sec? As a member of a high-sec mining corp?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 252	Posted - 2012.10.29 16:45:00 - [18] - Quote When I first started playing on an old character, I was in a training corp for new players. There were a lot of miners in that corp and they were all extremely stupid. I didn't like them much but I did like their frequent QQ. It made me laugh and sometimes I would taunt them. Looking back now, I wish I'd ganked some of them while I was in that corp. I'm not sure why I didn't think of it at the time.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 253	Posted - 2012.10.29 16:58:00 - [19] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Ah yes, the famous awox. Don't worry. At least you got yourself some quality player-driven content to amuse you while playing HIGHSEC ONLINE. Actually I did. If there was one thing that corp was good for, it was picking up war decs and those of us who did PvP were actually pretty good at it. Our KBs were let down by the miners though, of course.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 253	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:05:00 - [20] - Quote Asuri Kinnes wrote: Riot Girl wrote: Our KBs were let down by the miners though, of course. because KB > ? A training corp with a bad KB is an easy target.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 253	Posted - 2012.10.29 17:24:00 - [21] - Quote Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote: bot aspirant. That sounds like quite a serious personality disorder. It's good you're making an effort to help those who can't help themselves.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 256	Posted - 2012.10.29 20:41:00 - [22] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: At least threads like this should only exist for another month or so - after that those that don't want to get bumped can hop in mining frigates and never be hit by a fleet stabber ever again! Thrashers are still cheap and disposable.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 257	Posted - 2012.10.29 21:15:00 - [23] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: what if the miners just formed a fleet and had a blackbird or an ashimmu web their ships or something idk I would love to see this. I strongly encourage miners to fleet up and web eachothers ships.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 259	Posted - 2012.10.30 05:14:00 - [24] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: You'd only have to do systems within 5 jumps of a trade hub. The vast majority of miners won't go any further. It's because anything lower than 0.7 is too risky for them.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 260	Posted - 2012.10.30 05:46:00 - [25] - Quote You're free to start an anti-AFK ratter initiative if you feel it is necessary.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 260	Posted - 2012.10.30 05:49:00 - [26] - Quote What are you doing about AFK ratters?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 261	Posted - 2012.10.30 05:57:00 - [27] - Quote Freedom isn't something which is given away by those who have control. Freedom is something that must be taken by force. When miners find the strength to take their freedom and defend it, they will have earned it.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 261	Posted - 2012.10.30 06:03:00 - [28] - Quote Max Doobie wrote: Unsubbed. You seem upsettled.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 263	Posted - 2012.10.30 07:06:00 - [29] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: All this talk about miners not wanting to adapt to anything, being so vile for not being fully "at the keyboard". I don't think gatecampers are much different. Gatecampers have to adapt.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 265	Posted - 2012.10.30 08:42:00 - [30] - Quote Extortion racket? Do you think they care about 10m isk per year? The payment isn't extortion, it's a compulsory token of good will to show they have embraced the code.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 266	Posted - 2012.10.30 09:15:00 - [31] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: A 'compulsory token of goodwill' is an oxymoron though Then think of it as a symbol of submission. It is necessary for the miners to pay the fee as a sign of humility to help repress any notions of rebellion.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 274	Posted - 2012.10.30 13:31:00 - [32] - Quote Anslo wrote: There are some lines you just don't cross. I agree. It's a shame to see the miner defence committee resort to flaming and name-calling out of frustration. Even the OP, as a representative for the miners, starts off on an insulting and very unprofessional tirade, singling out an individual for attack. It's no wonder miners have a reputation of being likened to philistines when they present themselves this way.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 275	Posted - 2012.10.30 14:02:00 - [33] - Quote He hasn't posted in this thread, as far as I'm aware. Do you mean to say he's provoking the miners to flame people in this thread? I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 276	Posted - 2012.10.30 15:03:00 - [34] - Quote Anslo wrote: What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends? There is nothing wrong with it, but they shouldn't be able to do it without the risk of being punished for it. Specifically 'mind their own business' i.e carrying on like there are no other players in the game or that other players should pose no threat to them and therefore require no attention or precautionary measures to counter their influence.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2012.10.30 15:11:00 - [35] - Quote Anslo wrote: You also seem upset that miners are ignoring you or not interacting with you. Why? I am not upset that miners may ignore or refuse to interact with me. I have interacted with miners in the past and I found their company to be unsatisfactory.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2012.10.30 15:28:00 - [36] - Quote Anslo wrote: Then why complain about their ignoring or noninteraction? It shouldn't bother you. I'm not. I'm complaining that they do not prepare themselves or respond appropriately when player interaction finds them. I know it is their right to refuse to respond appropriately but it is also my right to refuse to respect them as a result.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2012.10.30 15:41:00 - [37] - Quote Anslo wrote: I'm asking for miners to have something to counter it while at the same time making them open to another form of attack. They do have something to counter it with. They have a brain and all they need to do is to learn to use it in a befitting manner.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:03:00 - [38] - Quote Anslo wrote: without an actual mechanic to defend against it. You keep repeating this. It's an entirely false statement.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:07:00 - [39] - Quote Anslo wrote: Also just telling them to goto a different system may work, or they might just be followed. Either way, they're displaced. Do you feel being displaced is a worthy reason to demand intervention from CCP? Is being forced to move to another system so game breaking that the whole community has to be punished? Is there a viable solution to this inconvenience that would not harm the quality of the experience the game offers for every single player?
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:10:00 - [40] - Quote Anslo wrote: Riot Girl wrote: You keep repeating this. It's an entirely false statement. No it's not. Of course it is. You even said yourself you can move to another system but dismissed it as being too inconvenient. Well if they don't want to move to another system, why not try surrounding themselves in a castle made of Jump Freighters? That would stop people bumping you. Of course that would take imagination and organization. Worst of all, it would ruin their boredom by forcing them to try out something fun.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:38:00 - [41] - Quote Circumstances where it is okay to petition for CCP to alter game mechanics: When it becomes impossible for any single player to play the game due to changes in, or abuse of gameplay mechanics. Circumstances where it is not okay to petition for CCP to alter game mechanics: When it becomes inconvenient for any single player to play the game due to changes in, or abuse of gameplay mechanics.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 277	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:49:00 - [42] - Quote Anslo wrote: We need to give miners the same 'kick' ability (THIS IS VELDSPAR!) And suddenly war decs were invented.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 301	Posted - 2012.10.31 21:25:00 - [43] - Quote What happened to you CCP? You're letting yourselves be bullied by carebears.

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